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Thread Starter: Heimdal   Started: 07-21-2007 5:57 PM   Replies: 23
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  21 Jul 2007, 5:57 PM
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Good Tremelo pieces
Could anyone suggest a good tremelo piece? I know in Italian music it is always used.

  
  21 Jul 2007, 8:47 PM
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Re: Good Tremelo pieces
 Heimdal wrote:
I know in Italian music it is always used.

Don't know how you came to this conclusion, but it certainly is not true.

The classic tremolo study is Francisco Tarrega's (1852-1909) Recuerdos de la Alhambra.  He made somewhat frequent use of the effect and I actually prefer some of his other pieces with tremolo, especially Sueño and El Carnaval de Venezia (brief but very effective in the latter set of variations).  Agustin Barrios Mangore's (1885-1944) are also hugely popular: Un Sueño an la Floresta and Una Limosna por el Amor de Dios (I prefer the latter).  I also think Joaquin Rodrigo's (1901-1999) Invocacion y Danza makes hugely effective use of tremolo, although the technique is not the centerpiece of the work.

Personally, I prefer stuff that's a little more off the beaten path.  Giulio Regondi (1822-1872) made fairly frequent and relatively early use of tremolo in his delicious and sappily romantic concert solos.  His Nocturne "Reverie", op. 19 is a fine study in tremolo.  The bombastically virtuosic Premier Air Varie, op. 21 has a decent variation in tremolo, but its use in the coda is even more entertaining.

Over-the-top American virtuoso William Foden (1860-1947) is the tragically now-forgotten/neglected master of tremolo.  He addresses a number of different methods to execute tremolo effects in vol. 2 of his method (1920).  Foden doesn't use the term dedillo, but he does describe using multiple fingers to play individual strings in harmonized dedillo passages: that's a little nuts.  The Foden tremolo technique that I can't even imagine bringing to tremolo speed because of the back-and-forth opposing motion of the fingers is that to sound the bass and tremolo simultaneously on the beat in multi-finger punteado: p/i-m-a-m-p/i-m-a-m-etc.  Man!  Good luck.  His earlier concert solos (like the Grand Valse Caprice, "The Wizard" that closes with full chords swept with the thumb under tremolo with the fingers) and transcriptions/variations (like the sextette from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor or "Alice Where Art Thou") featured some pretty outrageous tremolo.


  
  21 Jul 2007, 9:57 PM
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Re: Good Tremelo pieces
It would have been interesting if Sor used tremolo. I can't imagine what he could have done with it. Did Torroba or Ponce have any tremolo pieces?



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  21 Jul 2007, 10:37 PM
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Re: Good Tremelo pieces
Vladimir Bobri, an old colleague of mine from the original New York Society of the Classic Guitar in the seventies, wrote an excellent book entitled "Complete Study of Tremolo for the Classic Guitar.  It contains prepatory advice and numerous studies.  I believe that a new edition was put out fairly recently.  Among the various pieces of advice he gives is the suggestion to study arpeggios as proper preparation for study of the tremolo, and he quotes Segovia's interesting comment that the tremolo should be regarded as an arpeggio on a single string.

  
  22 Jul 2007, 3:52 AM
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Re: Good Tremelo pieces

Requiem by Armand Coeck. One can listen to the piece:  http://www.myspace.com/auurked , played by Coeck. At the myspace page of auurk ed, click on armand coeck requiem in the standalone player.



  
  22 Jul 2007, 9:38 AM
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Re: Good Tremelo pieces
When rummaging through music books and sheet music in stores, one invariably stumbles onto one or two of those old William Foden method books.  I have a couple buried somewhere.  Logically, if it could be executed properly, the Foden tremolo would result in the best possible effect of sustain, because it eliminates the break in the treble sequence.  That thought had occurred to me many years ago, and I experimented with a pattern essentially the same as Foden's, except that I used p/m-a-m-i.  Unfortunately, I tried that after I had already been playing the traditonal tremolo for years, and that pattern, as you point out, is just too cumbersome.  However, I do think that if one started from scratch with that, that it could be executed.  Theoretically it would result in a more continuous sustain.  However, it's moot, since the ear cannot discern the break in the treble in the traditional pattern.  I do prefer, though, the four note tremolo, which clearly gives a fuller sound to the line.  I originally learned it for flamenco, which only uses the four note tremolo, but liked the full bodied sound so much that I could not think of any reason not to use it for classical.  Flamenco guitarists have always used p-i-a-m-i, but I always felt it was ridiculous to repeat the i for no reason.  I use p-m-i-m-a, or one could use p-m-a-m-i, either of which allows the fingers to go around in a continuous back and forth pattern which is so much smoother.  For those just learning the three note tremolo, I would suggest also trying p-i-m-a.  That pattern seems to me to flow more naturally, just as the ascending arpeggio on 3-2-1 seems to feel more natural than the descending 1-2-3.  It also has the advantage of starting the treble sequence with a stronger finger, and though eventually they should all sound alike, it seems to give a sense of security.  In addition, the first used finger in the treble sequence is the finger that guides the other fingers to the proper string to begin the sequence, and i being a surer finger helps to minimize mistakes, especially when playing tremolo on the inside strings. 

  
  22 Jul 2007, 10:19 AM
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Re: Good Tremelo pieces
Tremolo does make a brief appearance in Ponce's epic variations on la Folia de Espana.

Not quite the modern status quo of p-a-m-i, but tremolo in the sense of rapidly repeated single notes does make appearance in plucked punteado music dating all the way back to the renaissance.  Not quite Sor, but consider Carcassi's op. 60, no. 7 of the same era.  Such proto-"tremolo" passages are often taken p-i-m-i, but some do take them in the modern status quo.  Going back even further, to the high renaissance, consider John Dowland's A Fancy (73 in Poulton's catalogue: 1974).

Of course, for tremolo aplenty, consider classical mandolin music.  Mandolin "duo style" is analogous to guitar tremolo, complete with staccato accompaniment.  Raffaele Calace's (1863-1934) unaccompanied preludes for mandolin are excellent examples.  He wrote 10 for mandolin.  My favorite is the first, op. 45, but the most straightforward demonstration of an almost guitar-like duo style is op. 149.


  
  22 Jul 2007, 11:04 AM
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Re: Good Tremelo pieces
A nice alternative to the oft-played "Recuerdos..." by Tarrega is "Campanas del Alba" by Eduardo Sainz de la Maza. There are several versions on Youtube including ones by Kaori Muraji and Alirio Diaz.

I second Armand Coeck's "Requiem" as well as Coeck's "Legende" which also makes extensive use of tremolo. There is a recording of the great Gino Herman playing the latter on Youtube.


  
  23 Jul 2007, 6:33 AM
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Re: Good Tremelo pieces
Many years ago I heard someone play the Polovestian Dance on the mandolin and he used tremelo. It was incredible.  

  
  23 Jul 2007, 7:49 PM
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Re: Good Tremelo pieces
 Heimdal wrote:
Many years ago I heard someone play the Polovestian Dance on the mandolin and he used tremelo. It was incredible.


For the incredibly curious, here's a live webcam performance of Calace's preludio op. 45 by Ralf Leenen, director of the mandolin orchestra La Napolitaine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALrncsl1lWo


  
  24 Jul 2007, 10:34 AM
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Re: Good Tremelo pieces
As for Torroba, at least Simancas and Zafra from his Castillos de Espana contain Tremolo; there is also a piece I know simply as "Melodia" which may or may not be part of the Piezas Characteristicas that is a Tremolo piece.

I do have a Tremolo piece named "Estudio" by Ponce thet has been published by Schott, however, I have never seen a trace of it on recordings or mention of it anywhere; it's nearly as if the piece is apocryphal or something.

And to the general question of thread: I personally like Barrios' "Cancion de la Hilandera" a lot (actually my favorite of his tremolo pieces).


  
  26 Jul 2007, 11:09 PM
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Re: Good Tremelo pieces
I forgot Barrios' "Una Limosna Por El Amor De Dios". A la David Russell, of course. Incredible album.



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  27 Jul 2007, 6:45 AM
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Fear not, Mr. Raiser! I remembered.

  
  28 Jul 2007, 9:33 AM
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Wow! incredible piece. Thanks for sharing. It looks like he is playing a bowl back. I thought they were not good quality mandolins.  



  
  28 Jul 2007, 6:19 PM
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Re: Good Tremelo pieces
 Heimdal wrote:
Wow! incredible piece. Thanks for sharing. It looks like he is playing a bowl back. I thought they were not good quality mandolins.  


"Tsk, tsk!" he scolded, semi-jokingly.  Stradivari built bowlbacked mandolin types in the 1680s!  Those who claim bowlback mandolins are not of quality do so because 1) they have never handled one of quality or 2) they don't know how to play them (they respond very differently than f-holed archtops).

Please forgive the sidetrack: The mandolin was the most popular instrument of the western hemisphere, ca. 1890-1920.  When something is so hugely popular, you can expect the bulk to be built for a fickle crowd of amateurs.  For example, nobody should play a "Woods" brand classical guitar and assume a Hauser or Smallman performs in the same way.  Yes, their were a great many bowlbacks that were junk, cheaply built for amateurs, but professional-calibre bowlback mandolins are very fine instruments indeed.  The most common type is Neapolitan.  My main mandolin is of this type, a one-of-a-kind 1908 C.F. Martin & Co., and again, very fine indeed.  Ralf is playing an Embergher in the video; Embergher built mandolins of the Roman type and they can be considered the holy grail of bowlbacked mandolins.

Ralf's excellent book:
http://www.mandolin.be/embergher/

Alex Timmerman's Embergher site:
http://www.embergher.com/

Pages upon pages of cool pictures (including a few of my own):
Post a picture of your bowlback at Mandolincafe.net

Lots of cool chat:
Classical forum at Mandolincafe.net


  
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