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Thread Starter: nylon6   Started: 02-12-2005 6:47 PM   Replies: 20
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  12 Feb 2005, 6:47 PM
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Turan Kamal???
Does anyone remember this fellow? (If I spelled his name correctly!) He's an Iranian guitarist who seemingly tried to out-gun Eliot Fisk and Kazuhito Yamash*ta in the speed department! I saw him maybe 20 years and sat there with my jaw open. While not the most musical player, his speed and technique were mind-blowing. Anyway, is he still around? (Or has he been placed on a Terrorist Watchlist?) Stick out tongue

  
  03 Mar 2005, 4:12 AM
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Re: Turan Kamal???
I have his (apparently only) LP recording.  He is a Tartar, not Iranian, and was born in California.  His full name is Turan-Mirza Kamal.  The 1972 LP is quite unusual in that it only has one side of the disc recorded.  The other side is perfectly blank.  His playing on this recording is rather uneven.  It may have been jaw-dropping at the time, but in our present era it does not sound so special.  But in the days before Yamashita stunned the world with Mussorgski, Kamal surely would have been a force to be reckoned with. 

He played some recitals in California in the late 1970s which I attended, but since then I do not know of him.  Presumably he chose a more lucrative professional career?


  
  03 Mar 2005, 10:13 PM
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Thank you for the update. I have a live recital back when there was a classical guitar series on NPR hosted by Larry Snitzler. I could have sworn he said he was Iranian, but come to think of it, his series of pieces titled Koktepe portray Tartarn conflicts. His playing at the recital I caught in the early 80's was quite clean and incredibly fast.

  
  05 May 2005, 11:16 AM
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Greetings, I came upon this site while doing a google search on Turan Mirza Kamal.  Update for those who are interested.  Turan stopped playing the classical guitar in concert in the early 80s for personal reasons.  Alas,  he died last in November 2004.  I have his recording, and considering his age when he recorded, I think his rendition of Bach is sublime.  

  
  05 May 2005, 3:50 PM
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How sad--he had such a unique approach. I'd love to hear his Bach.

  
  09 May 2005, 7:38 AM
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I am hoping to get some CDs made from the vinyl, if you wish I can send you a copy........... wont be next week, but.........soonish.
He was a wonderfully colourful and flamboyant personality and I would have loved to have been to a live concert.  However he was a good friend and he was passionate about his Uzbek Tatar background. 
Please leave me a link that I can use to contact you to get your address to send you a CD. 


  
  28 Aug 2005, 11:38 AM
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I was wondering if you ever made a CD of Kamal's old album? I have been trying to find a copy ever since I attended a master's class with him in the late 70's.

Perhaps it would be simplest to make an MP3?
In any event, he put on one hell of a concert, and the encore has beauiful--a rare piece by a composer named Cancion (?). I wish I knew the title, it was one of the best encores I've ever heard.

At the class he talked a lot of his heritage and the genocide of his people by the Kazhaks. He also at one time had broken fingers in his hand boxing. Amazing guy. Wish there was more out there on him and by him.


  
  28 Aug 2005, 6:57 PM
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 fireflyflying wrote:
I am hoping to get some CDs made from the vinyl, if you wish I can send you a copy........... wont be next week, but.........soonish.
He was a wonderfully colourful and flamboyant personality and I would have loved to have been to a live concert.  However he was a good friend and he was passionate about his Uzbek Tatar background. 
Please leave me a link that I can use to contact you to get your address to send you a CD. 


Wow...I appear to have missed this reply! My e-mail is
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Thank you.


  
  29 Aug 2005, 4:18 AM
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wow, well if copies are going around, i'd love one as well and would be happy to cover any expenses in its making!

  
  24 Jan 2006, 9:12 PM
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I received this e-mail that shares one person's experiences with Kamal:

To my recollection, I saw Turan-Mirza Kamal in concert at least three 
times in the 1970s when I was a student at the University of 
Wisconsin, and he came through on concert tours. I had front-row 
seats on every occasion. To put it mildly, I was quite blown away. He 
did not have particularly large hands, but he played with incredible 
power and control over the instrument. Speed he had, yes, but lots of 
guitarists are fast. Maintaining control over the instrument while 
playing fast is something else. In concert he demonstrated this 
ability beautifully. After the first concert, I immediately went 
backstage where I was warmly received. He appeared rather forbidding 
on stage, but was actually warm and talkative, and we hit it off 
right from the start.

He was, of course, keenly interested in technique, but by his own 
admission he did not "hang around with other guitarists" (his 
phrase). I don't know whom he studied under (or I don't remember), 
but I distinctly recall him expressing disdain for the teachings of 
Aaron Shearer, although he did not say exactly what he disapproved 
of. He seemed to know about Segovia, Bream, and Williams, but it was 
not clear to me to what extent he had studied with them, if at all. 
(He may have told me, but I don't recall anything right now.) I do 
remember him saying something about how Williams was good at 
remembering and recalling scores.

After the second and subsequent concerts I visited him backstage 
again, after which he invited me over to his hotel. We talked about 
the guitar and other subjects in the hotel lounge. He was in some 
kind of family business, and he was also into buying old suits of 
armor and other relics, restoring them, and finding buyers.

A couple of times he invited me up to his hotel room, where he took 
out his guitar and was showing me some technique. He rolled up his 
sleeves and started talking about building up strength. He told me to 
watch his forearms as he played, and I would be able to see the 
muscles moving. Indeed that was the case. As I said above, he did not 
have such large hands, but he had very muscular forearms, and he 
stressed to me that playing the guitar required that one practice in 
a way that builds up the muscles in both forearms as well. It 
certainly worked for him! He said that many people think the right 
forearm muscles are not involved much in playing, but emphasized how 
mistaken that is.

He was proud of his ethnic heritage, and a few years ago had a 
website with photos about a trip to the land of his heritage (memory 
fails me here -- perhaps it was Afghanistan).

The last time I saw Kamal he was having left hand problems. He 
explained that he'd had an accident and an operation on his left 
wrist (he showed me the scar on the underside of his wrist). This was 
making it hard for him to play, and I suspect that is why he quit. He 
did mention boxing to me on one occasion, but I don't know if that 
had anything to do with it.

Alas, I have no recordings. I recall hearing, on Wisconsin Public 
Radio, a recording of a concert he gave in New York. It is likely 
that it still exists, archived somewhere, and it would be great if it 
could somehow be released in CD form. If anyone has a way to check on 
this, please do!

Until reading the forum, I was unaware that Kamal had died. A few 
years ago I reestablished contact with him by email, then he changed 
his email address. I received a notification of the change, which I 
unfortunately lost, and that was the end of our communication.

I think he had incredible potential, which makes his loss all the 
more unfortunate. One thing I felt he had to overcome was the 
tendency to play slow pieces too fast in places. His speed was uneven 
because some places were a little rushed, as thought he were in a 
hurry to get through the piece. But his technique was something to 
behold. Having seen it up close, and even in his hotel room where I 
was sitting right in front of him, I can say this guy was capable of 
great power and control.

One interesting thing I recall was his showing me the nut at the top 
of his guitar's fingerboard. His was especially made, with the 
grooves set so that the strings were spaced slightly closer together 
than on a standard classical guitar. He said something like, "Many 
guitarists don't like this because they say it throws their eye off, 
but I think it makes the guitar easier to play." I said, "But Segovia 
says the strings should be spaced even farther apart for better 
articulation," to which he replied, "Yea, but have you seen the size 
of his hands?" (Note: having received Segovia's autograph, I saw them 
-- they were humongous.)

That is about what I recall at this time. If something else of note 
comes to mind, I'll write you again.

BTW, I am not a professional guitarist, but classical guitar has been 
a lifelong passion with me since I was in high school, so I know a 
bit about it.



  
  25 Jan 2006, 4:39 AM
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Re: Turan Kamal???
Wow, never heard of this guy, but now i'm really interested.  You should make a mp3 and post it online. 

  
  25 Jan 2006, 2:28 PM
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He never issued a commercial recording (I don't think that one-sided LP got much distribution!), so samples are hard to come by.

  
  02 Feb 2006, 7:59 PM
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I am the person who wrote the long account about Kamal. I have since managed to join, so can post things myself now.

Now that I think about my conversations with him, I sometimes recall other little bits and pieces. He thought that a guitarist's program should be "challenging," i.e., a performer shouldn't choose pieces that are relatively easy to play just to avoid making mistakes and looking better on stage. Obviously he himself was not guilty of this...

Once he gifted me a couple sets of strings out of his bag. They were Augustine Blue. I don't know if he always used them, but that's what he had with him at the time.


  
  16 Jul 2006, 1:34 PM
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Hi to all of you guitar experts.  I am an old (almost 80) semi-retired horn (French -- how we hornists hate that label) player (my true vocation) and retired U.S. Government (economic vocation) employee.  In view of the facts and opinions expressed in this threat, I thought you might be interested in the following copy of a eulogy I was asked to write for reading at Turan's funeral:

begin eulogy

For Turan Mirza Kamal

I consider myself as the luckiest man alive, having known two of the most remarkable men one can imagine..  Turan was one of these, the other, his father Ahmad Kamal.

I have known Turan literally all of his life.  I was working in  lace>Indonesialace> when he was born in 1951.  His father and I had already become close friends, and I was able to share with him and Amina the joy of having a first-born son.  (Ahmad and Amina already had a lovely daughter, Tura) Some of my most vivid early memories of Turan were watching him and his sister sitting at a small table in their house in lace>Bandunglace>, refusing to eat their meals.  Ahmad kept shouting at them,  “Asha!, Asha! (Eat!, Eat!)”  This might have been the beginning of Turan’s  stubbornness that persisted until the day of his untimely death, for Turan was a fighter who never gave up.

>A few short years later (and a number of adventures which shall remain unnamed) Amina, Tura, and Turan (known as AT&T for short) lived across the street from me in lace>Madrid, Spainlace>.  By this time I  had a little boy of my own, and he liked to toddle across the street to play with T and T, fortunately under the watchful eyes of the Spanish secret police.  By this time Ahmad and I had so antagonized French intelligence that the Spanish government, wishing to avoid a diplomatic incident, provided us covertly with this protection.

>Turan grew up in this atmosphere of intrigue and danger.  He also grew up with an abiding love for music.  He studied classical guitar with the Spanish masters, including Andres Segovia, and later excelled in the Paris Conservatory.  He spent a few short years as a concert artist.  One of my most pleasant memories was taking my teen-age son, David, to a concert by Turan at the National Gallery of Art in lace>Washington, tate>DCtate>lace>.  It was a freezing cold night amidst a blizzard.  Few people were out, so we had no trouble parking almost by the door of the Gallery.  Inside, however, there was a nice crowd, and Turan played magnificently, receiving a standing ovation.

Turan was gifted in far too many fields to enumerate here.  Not the least of these, however, was his love of languages.  He was equally fluent in English, Tatar, French, and  Spanish.  He was equally at home in Spanish of the street, or of the finest salons of tate>lace>Madridlace>tate>.

>I could not love Turan more were he my flesh-and-blood son.  To say that I will miss him terribly is a gross understatement.  Yet I would take nothing for the privilege of being called his friend.

>I know Turan is in Heaven, reorganizing the place.  I pray that he will prepare a place for me.

end of eulogy

Turan's older sister, Tura, also studied the classical guitar while living in Spain.  She did not, however, pursue such study in a serious manner.  Turan also studied in London with Julian Bream.

Turan was better known as a concert artist in Israel and several Eastern European countries.  His Arabic-sounding name, however, made bookings in the U.S. harder to come by.  For him, Israel was a more friendly venue.

A few final words:

Throughout the years I have noted that Turan unvaryingly looked to the day when he could use his privilege as an American, to help the land of his ancestors – thereby bringing the 2 together.   This was not possible before, as Communism and Soviet Russian Colonialism made it impossible – especially in view of the fact that his family had for centuries been actively anti Russian Colonialism and, more recently, fervently anti Communist.>>

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Now, in this era, we have seen the collapse of both of these powers and the time seemed ideal for Turan to put his aspirations into action.  As a patriot, he wanted to help the
lace>USAlace> and the land of his forefathers.  Unfortunately,  his life was cut suddenly and prematurely short by cancer. >>

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He is not a dreamer, nor a romantic.  He is a pragmatist.  He knows that under Soviet Communist domination, lace>Central Asialace> was strangled.  He has commented to me also, that although the Republics of Central Asia are to most appearances, independent, they are not really free of the yoke and influence of lace>Moscowlace>.  Yet the populace is ready for an infusion of lace>New Hopelace>.  This is where, he feels, lace>Americalace> can be the saving grace.>>




  
  16 Jul 2006, 11:48 PM
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Very nice, thank you. It's a pity that he wasn't better known and appreciated while he was a concertising artist. I cherish the concert I attended in Berkeley in the early 80s.

  
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